2010-11-10

Am I supposed to believe this? Greeks arrived before the Maori in New Zealand?


"This political correctness crap which is so undemocratic has stopped me from speaking out for long enough. It's been a big cover up."
- Noel Hilliam (Historian and Marine archeologist) Interview in the Dargaville & District News 10 November 2010

The above caught my attention this morning when I received my copy of the weekly Dargaville & Districts News.

There it was with the headliner 'Maori weren't first says book' According to Noel Hillian who has written a yet to be published book titled "To the Ends of The Earth' 'Greeks, followed by 'three other ethnic groups arrived before the Maori Migration'.

Apparently this claim is supported by 'earth shattering evidence to prove it'. Further the article goes on to quote Mr Hilliam as saying that his book 'is being published to tell the early history of the settlement of New Zealand' He goes on further to elaborate the ' he has evidence dating back 5000 years, and believes further proof may be evident in the genetic makeup of some of the Dargaville Maori'.

He claims further that 'so many Maori names are actually Spanish and Portuguese. A lot of these people do not know their true background'. Excuse me? Then the Whakapapa I have in my possession for my Kaitahu ancestors is a forgery? Or perhaps they 'did not understand their true origins' after all?

I can trace my ancestry back beyond Kupe to the ancestors at Hawaiki there is no mention anywhere of any 'Spanish' or 'Portuguese' type names anywhere to be found.

In short I find it very hard to believe, that despite there being a strong indication of Maori occupancy in New Zealand for at least 2000 years, that suddenly, we have ancient greeks, spanish and portuguese being the first to settle the Shaky Isles.

Am I an ignorant Philistine here? Should I take this seriously? Has an expert in ancient languages been engaged to do a detailed indepth study of Maori language and place names?

I'm of the mind I have to place this in the category of the 'Aliens Built the Pyramids ' Section of my brain compartment.

There is nothing politically correct about my opinion on this at all. I disagree strongly. If the proper and true scientific and archeological evidence can be produced by those in that field, then perhaps, I might change my point of view. But at this stage - it's little more than pseudo history and I can't take this as proven fact.

Psuedo History is a damaging and dangerous thing to my mind. I'll go back under my rock now and keep any further opinions to my self.

I actually like Mr Hilliam - but on this I cannot agree with him at all. Nor do I like the patronising tone that my ancestors did not understand their own origins. Yes they did and still do.

I rest my case. What do you think? Opinions are welcome.

22 comments:

  1. Hopefully, the paper has the kindness to publish that interview verbatim so the rest of us can read it.

    It's like the other piece of alternative history published this year, on the Portuguese supposedly landing on NZ soil in 1522. I'll bring it up with me when I visit later on, Liz. You might get a bitter laugh out of it.

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  2. It's frightening how someone can deny a whole culture and heritage like this :(

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  3. Another example, from this site:

    "Mr Hilliam said in June this year Mr Cowie had spent a month in the northwest Spanish town where the main street was called "Rua Tui" - a Maori name.

    "Mr Cowie found what he believes are two ancient pohutakawa trees at La Coruna, not far from Aranga.
    Mr Hilliam says that in June next year, a Lincoln University scientist, Dr Jonathan Palmer, will take a core samples to determine the age of the Spanish trees."

    Tui is a place in Spain, also spelled Tuy. The name goes back to Roman times. "Rua" is a Portuguese word, meaning "street". The pohutukawas in Spain date from the time of the Napoleonic wars.

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  4. Hi guys.

    I thought Blogger had uploaded the image of the clipping i took from the Dargaville and District News but no it hadn't. Uploaded now so if you see my comment click on the image and have a read of it.

    Lisa sounds like another of those pseudo histories. Yes I'd love to have a read. 1522? Hmm Okay well that's well after my ancestors arrived in NZ.

    @Jayne Yes I agree wholeheartedly with you. I don't like the idea that someone simply dismisses the culture of my ancestors as being something 'they don't understand' bollocks! Yes they did and they still do today.

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  5. Thanks for posting the article too, Liz. Just spotted it.

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  6. Thanks Lisa. Glad it's showing okay. I scanned it so it's readable at least. To me it's disturbing reading to be honest. One can't just simply dismiss what is well and truly documented by archeological and scientific evidence done by professionals in those fields

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  7. Hi Lisa I've had a read. Very well written too. It had to be said. Something like the dismissing of my ancestral heritage can't be swept under the carpet. It's good a qualified response by someone of Scott's calibre has been sent to the D&D expressing his opinion. Thanks for the heads up.

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  8. Thankyou, MBF, for keeping tabs on this stuff. I put a link to your post near the top of mine. It really amazes me that after debacles like the U boat 'discovery' and the bogus Senior of the Year Award a paper in a small place like Dargy would not know about Hilliam's problems with the truth...

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  9. Maps a thank you sent back to you too and to those who have voiced their concerns and dismay to the D&D News. Thanks to your blog post the word has been spread.It is very concerning when as Jayne said Culture and History are denied as has happened in this case.

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  10. Hilliam is a crack pot - stamp him out for good - unless - hmmm...

    Wait a minute! I heard he is a genius! He could be onto something!

    Just in case I have just started reading Herodotus's "The Histories" and I will report back when I come across any references to the Dorian, the Lydian or the Ionian Maori tribes...

    I'll also check out Thucydides to see if (Te Kooti for example) was in the Peloponnesian Wars.

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  11. Richard Richard Richard..you must realise that Te Kooti fought at Carthage never mind that I don't have the evidence I just expect you to accept it. Yes I have my copy of Herodotus The Histories as well still looking for those mysterious references amongst the descriptions of ancient Babylon.

    I'll let you know when I find the signing of the Treaty Of Waitangi being mentioned by Plato. This could be 'earth shattering' We'll get back to our readings then and discover the truth behind our origins..but we don't understand them? *shakes head solwly from side to side*

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    1. This is all - quite clearly absolutely true. I have to bow to this deep wisdom....

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  12. some maori did say that before they got to nz there were other people here already like maoirors ( last one died in late 1980's) and another group of fared white skin color

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  13. The Moriori were there yes. As for the rest who knows because the archeaological record doesn't show any evidence of fair skinned races showing up. A lot of those "kiwi-celt" are just pseudo-history and nothing more. I don't give much credence to the claims Noel has made even though I do like the man as a person.

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  14. Of course the Greeks arrived here first: Socrates was a Maori Chief and Aristotle was a well known Ngapuhi - the reality is that Greek is not only similar to Greek it is exactly the same! This amazing fact has been kept from all the historians and scientists because the Rothshchilds dont wish us to be "in on" their mysteries. Te Kooti of whom one woman in a pub near some benighted place outside of Auckland (who to me seemed to be a real white maggot pakeha) declared she was in fact a hori and that she was "As black as Te Kooti's arse." I thought that was poetic....Greek only looks as though it isn't Maori. The Morioris were sent in very fast boats that the Levantines sent (especially long ones with about 200 slaves chained to them so they would get straight to Kiwi land where there was cheap pia and cheap other things -so that is how the Maori-hori (Moriori) got to Kiwi land, they went straight past Samoa and the other "black" places". Then when they got here they slaughtered all the others (who had come from China and Spain and some from England) and ate them and eventually they all went on the tole....in the meantime the slaughtered the Morioris even though they were pakeha (or Pupaha) and in fact one of the 66 lost tribes of Israel who had run away from Moses after escaping the wonderful delights of sodom and gonnorohea etc This is all part of a fascinating history....

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    1. Richard you left out the 144,000 divinities and the elephants that had tea and cake at the Sky Tower on the way to sacking Wellington.

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  15. Yes, that was terribly amiss of me - I deeply apologise from the deepest recesses of my clearly "evil" heart: however I feel sure ti was 145 thousand divines. The elephants join the hippopotomi who, having been brought here with the aid of the Greeks and indeed Lepidus (who indeed it may be said read far too much Herodotus) who said of them (o.k. via Shakespeare's 'Anthony and Cleopatra') that these strange mythical animals were "As long as they were long and as tall as they were tall..." or words to that effect but he was murdered before he could reveal the real secret - speculation rages that he, via Herodotus and others such as Paracelsus and Ho Chi Minh: was about to reveal the truth that the people of "Ultima Thule" (Better known as Brtitannica) were in fact Maori (or Morimaoris as they were known the the Greeks and Romans of those times - and that it was revealethed to Him a great Tower would erect in East (this was no Fraud) in Ooklanntd where a strange race of coffee drinkers and occasional gamblers would hold sway ina New Kingdom...these were in fact the True English....

    But, yes, the great battle to which you obliquely allude was directed at Evil Wellington, place of Gouvernance and this was in fact another babble place, sky reaching...the Ooklanders (all those of Aotearoa were descended from; the English;; who in fact spoke Greek, which explins how; Socrates became a chief; as they took him along for the ride: but Mrs. Thatcher, the late; bless her, was in fact, a Maori): so thus Wellington was destroyed and all the maidens excitingly raped. But that is part of the longer and abstruse if not convoluted History I (and many other Eminent Victorian Scholars) am working on...

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  16. You added another thousand onto the Divines? Perhaps that explains why the Greeks decided to unleash the mythical Back Bencher beast onto the evil city called Wellington. That wicked city state where Bellamys rules the stomachs of the Beehive Kings. I'm sure I saw Sam Hunt mentioned in the chronicles they hid in the Wiri larva caves.......

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  17. I may have. What is not known is that in fact we, the majority, are - none of us Maori OR Pakeha (as such) but The Maori are Greeks, Spaniards, Aliens, Irish, Egyptian and Chinese: whereas the English and Hitler's Germans (The Bosche or Hun or what you will) etc are in fact Maori. Germany and England (and e'en, I maight add, such places as Poland and The Ukraine)...all of these are Maori but so many years have lapsed that they have forgotten this and only the occasional English expression such as "Fuck me!" or "blimey" are in fact, etymologically linked to Ancient Maori...so in fact the Greeks DID colonise NZ and become "Maori" but the REAL Maori stayed home in order to kick off all the misery of the two world wars, napalming of Vietnam and all the other stuff ....meanwhile - let's call them the True Greeks - they brought their gods and Lares and Penates etc etc into Aorrowroa (some erroneously call it Aotearoa....but more on that): Sam Hunt is indeed part of the Mythology and he is one of the few Greeks ("Maori" and "Pakeha" are all "True -Greeks' (not true geeks as some would aver)): and thus his poetry is indeed "all Greek to us" is the common phrase heard repeated in The Ancient Dialogues...The Beehive is 200,000 years old and was built by the Divines themselves: the or a True-Greek never descends into questions of truth or reality - such things, like death, being the preserve of homos and rugby players, as they say... but this is clearly a deeply complex subject....Suffice it to say that it is a mortal sin or in fact a crime to criticise or to impute deleteriously in any way that august and sacred Thing, that pendules in Wellington...that wonderful if dubious and ever shifty city.........

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  18. Yes Bellamys, the problem of Bellamies...hmmm...that is a tough one.

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  19. Then there is the question from out of it all as to the divinity of the God like John Key residing there with the Beehive Kings in that evil city state of Wellington. Is it not so that Hannibal in his desperation to win over Helen of Mt Albert, sold off his state owned assets to the Assyrians then leased them back to the Beehive Kings of that evil city state of Wellington. That it involved a scene from a Greek Tragedy, two old crones and a couple of characters from Shortland Street. After all we just 'know' all you have so far revealed Richard the wise is 'absolutely' truthful........such are the ways of evil historials and scheming minds......

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